LCCC April 2022 minutes

Minutes of Leith Central Community Council ordinary meeting, at Hillside Bowling Club, on Monday 25 April 2022 at 7:00pm

Actions and decisions are red italic. nem con means that no-one spoke or voted against a decision.

1. Welcome, introductions, attendance, apologies

1.a Present

  • LCCC voting members: Jack Caldwell, Pierre Forissier, Sheila Kennedy, Harald Tobermann, Lucy Wood-Waters
  • LCCC ex-officio and non-voting members: Bruce Ryan (minutes secretary), Cllr Susan Rae (Leith Walk ward)
  • Others: Erica Manfroi, Andrés Lices (Both CEC), Alan McIntosh (Broughton Spurtle), 12 residents/visitors

1.b Apologies

  • LCCC voting members: Charlotte Encombe, Alan Dudley, Ian Mowat, John Wilkinson
  • LCCC ex-officio and non-voting members: Cllr Amy McNeece-Mechan, Cllr Rob Munn (both Leith Walk ward)
  • Others: Police Scotland

1.c to note: declarations of interest in any items on the agenda

  • Jack Caldwell is Liberal Democrat candidate for Leith Walk ward.

1.d to agree: order of business below

  • Decision: to take policing matters after the major presentation on bins – agreed nem con

2 Approval of minutes of the ordinary LCCC meeting on 21 March 2022 meeting

  • Approved as is, nem con

3 Matters arising from previous minutes (and not included on agenda below)

none

4 Policing Matters

4.a to note: Police Report March/April 2022

See also text of report in appendix 1

  • H Tobermann: it’s in the same poor format. There are some data, but there is no way to make comparisons over time.

5 Communal bin hub roll-out in LCCC area – update on progress and issues encountered Presentation by Erica Manfroi, Project Delivery Manager – Communal Bin Review and Andrés Lices, Engineer, Waste – Communal Bin Review Project Team; followed by Q&A

5.a to note: advance questions for CEC officers

  • it was anticipated that many of these would be covered in the presentation.
  • Answers emailed to LCCC after the meeting are in appendix 2

5.b Presentation

See also slides on LCCC website

  • Slide 2: The roadworks started in November, finishing early March. However, supply-chain issues and lack of drivers delayed roll-out of bins. Roil-out of bins has recently started; frequency of collection has been increased in North Leith and Bonnington.
    • Following this, roll-out will happen in Pilrig, Leith Walk, Abbeyhill and Meadowbank.
  • Slide 3: the parameters for the new bins scheme were approved by CEC’s transport and environment committee in February 2020
    • Bins will be on the same side of streets as properties wherever possible, so people mostly won’t need to cross roads.
    • The bins will face the kerb, so people do not need to stand in the road to dispose of rubbish and recycling.
  • Slide 4
    • Most bins will meet these parameters, but there are a small number where this is not possible.
    • Some people are trying to park between bull-bars and pavements due to current lack of bins. As roll-out completes, this problem should attenuate. Flyers are being developed to discourage such bad parking
    • It was suggested that the flyers should have a large cross through the car, to show such parking is deprecated.
  • Slide 5
    • Non-recyclable waste and mixed recycling bins will be collected every other day.
    • Food waste will be collected weekly.
    • Glass bins will be collected according to need – to be monitored by the contractor.
    • At least 90% of bins will be refurbished or new, which should reduce need for repairs. Refurbishment will take time.
  • Slide 6: Fly-tipping is city-wide/national problem. However, CEC is publishing information on re-use, recycling and special uplift in a guide which will be posted to every resident. There will also be a poster campaign.
  • Slide 7: In-cab technology will support quicker, more efficient reporting of issues
    • CEC regularly runs campaigns to promote better use of waste services.
  • Slide 8: CEC has used communal bins since the 1990s. The current project will increase collection-frequency, and provide more recycling facilities, thus reducing nuisance.
    • Many food-bins are passing the end of their useful life. Where possible they will be refurbished as glass bins. New food bins will be easier to keep clean.
  • Slides 9, 10: in response to complaints, there will be more glass bins
    • Also, glass recycling via bins should reduce thanks to a forthcoming glass deposit-return scheme.
    • There will also be appropriate campaigns, e.g. about when it’s appropriate to use glass bins.
  • Slide 11: crews will receive regular training, covering correct bin-placement, reporting issues and use of in-cab technology.
  • Slide 12: the new bins will be 1100 or 1280 litres. Side-loading bigger bins will be removed.
    • It is likely that new developments will have underground bins, enabling CEC to trial such systems.
    • CEC requires all new residential buildings to have off-street waste storage.

5.c Q&A

  • H Tobermann: How many drivers is CEC short of for waste services?
    • Manfroi/Lices: It is difficult to retain drivers, as well as attract them initially – other operators are paying bonuses but CEC cannot. Currently, there are 4 vacancies for drivers.
  • H Tobermann: how many inspectors are working for waste services?
    • Manfroi/Lices: There are 2 dedicated to phase 1.
  • P Forissier: Dalmeny park residents were unaware of the bin review, because they received leaflets with a misleading title about ‘street parking’. No Iona St residents received even these leaflets. After the consultation, residents were disturbed by how CEC reacted to comments. For example, LCCC tried to negotiate with CEC about alternative locations but CEC did not countenance this. Hence can CEC now reconsider locations?
    • Manfroi/Lices: Bins that are currently on the wrong sides of roads will be moved as part of the roll-out. We did make changes stemming from the consultation. We will provide responses to your specific questions in the next few days. We acknowledge we made mistakes, and will rectify them. However, we have to follow the parameters set by CEC. The parameters are about accessibility, and health and safety, e.g. not forcing people to cross roads to dump waste.
      • H Tobermann: only CEC can change these parameters, not the CEC staff at this meeting. Hence if LCCC believes the parameters are incorrect, it must engage with CEC.
      • A resident: in the absence of dropped kerbs, wheelchair users must go onto roads.
      • Manfroi/Lices: The communal bin service is not suitable for wheelchair users. Such people can ask for assisted collection etc. Dropped kerbs can be provided on an ad-hoc basis.
      • A resident: bins need to be on the pavement to be accessible:
      • Manfroi/Lices: most hubs will be parallel parking, so they can be accessed from the pavement, so dropped kerbs are not needed at these locations. This stems from the integrated impact assessment. Also, one of CEC’s objectives is to minimise reduction in parking places, while discouraging parking in front of the bin hubs. (‘A nose-end’ design would encourage such bad parking, which would prevent collection of rubbish.) In general, the layout is decided by the existing parking on the streets.
  • J Caldwell: there are problems with existing pedal-operated bins.
    • These will be removed in roll-out of the new system. The new bins will have smaller, easy-to-operate apertures.
  • J Caldwell: Some streets have double-parking issues. Can waste staff report instances via the in-cab technology?
    • Yes. Also, the forthcoming controlled parking zone and double-yellow lines should help. The current DYLs are behind the bins and so less visible to drivers. Future legislation will forbid parking more than 50cm from kerbs from 2023, while the CPZ will introduce DYLs between the bins and the carriageway.
  • S Kennedy: Why are there different bull-bar arrangements?
    • In some locations, there will be more bins than normal. The pattern is bull-bar, then 2 bins, then bull-bar, and so on.
    • Bull-bars will prevent people moving bins, then parking in hub areas. Food-waste bins act as bull-bars at ends of hubs.
  • S Kennedy: what about bins in London Rd?
    • We will provide a written answer.
  • S Kennedy: will waste staff report fly-tipping? Why not make special uplift free, to minimise fly-tipping?
    • Fridges, sofas etc cannot be collected with general waste, so will be collected by other crews after being reported.
    • Special collections cost £5 per item. They had cost £25.
  • P Forissier: glass bins in front of windows cause sleepless nights. What will be done to prevent nocturnal glass-noise?
    • We expect less use of each glass bin because there will be more of them. Currently, CEC’s glass collection is not legislation-compliant, so changes must be made. We will monitor how the new system works.
  • L Wood-Watters: what happens to food waste? (Most teabags contain plastic so do not compost.)
    • They go to an anaerobic digester which makes energy and liquid fertiliser. Plastic is removed before waste enters this.
  • A resident: all of this is theory, but implementation isn’t working in practice. How can we get the parameters changed?
    • Manfroi/Lices: please see how the new system works, then give us input, e.g. via waste@edinburgh.gov.uk.
    • The resident: the evidence is that there are currently trash-heaps. Is prevention of this not a requirement?
    • Manfroi/Lices: collection frequency has not yet been increased at the location you mention. It will happen asap.
    • The resident: it is poor that implementation was started before sufficient staff are in place. Yet there is spare capacity for bins across the road, and there have been no traffic accidents at this location.
  • H Tobermann: can this be handled using special collections, as for fly-tipping?
    • Manfroi/Lices: no – there is lack of drivers for all through CEC waste services.
  • H Tobermann: who do we contact to press for more drivers?
    • Manfroi/Lices:: Andy Williams (boss of waste collections for all of Edinburgh)
  • Another resident: all bins were removed from my location. On 20 February, a CEC representative said this location was not part of the bin review area, and the bins would returned. There has been a cycle of removal and replacement. Now people with mobility issues have to move waste large distances. Bins have burst and overflowed. Where are the planning documents are the consultation for this location?
    • I will investigate and get bins returned, then contact you.
  • A visitor: this ambitious program has been beset by problems. There should have been a proper pilot. I understand that CEC received £4·7m from Zero Waste Scotland to improve recycling. How are changes to recycling being measured?
    • Some of this money was for purchase of new vehicles, sensors, etc. We know how much recycling is collected now, so will be able to quantify any increases. Currently there are not enough recycling bins. Currently there is 55 litres recycling capacity per property. It will increase to 140 to 170 litres per property.
  • A resident: please clarify about recycling bins at the top of the London Rd colonies
    • We will provide a written answer.
    • A resident: Why are the new metal food bins so far from the kerb – it’s hard to reach their handles.
  • They are about usually 20cm from kerbs, to allow rainwater to flow. Some gaps are larger, because of gullies.

6 Transport & clean streets

6.a Update on Trams to Newhaven construction works and final design (verbal)

6.a.i to note: issues for residents

  • H Toberman: The big issue that CCTT is discussing with the trams team is the process for handover of the newly-built assets to CEC. CCTT fears that CEC is not ready for this. The trams team has recognised there may be issues.
  • L Wood-Watters: Trams team has advised that 60% of bitumen comes from Ukraine or Russia, so TT will update on potential delays.

6.a.ii to note: issues for businesses

no discussion

6.b to note: update on Pilrig Cable Wheels (and example for similar display in Bo’ness)

  • H Toberman: Trams team is looking into options, and will report back to LCCC.

6.c to note: update on Scottish Water roadworks in Albert St/Murano Place

  • H Toberman: Scottish Water has done nothing to solve this problem. I will pursue this because it is not an emergency situation.

6.d to note: any other Transport & Clean Streets matters relevant to LCCC area

none

7 Planning

7.a to note: application by CW Properties, Cambay and CA Ventures for the Demolition of existing warehouse building and construction of sui generis flatted dwellings including mainstream, affordable and student accommodation with a ground floor commercial unit and associated infrastructure, landscaping, and a reconfiguration of the existing car park @ Land To East Of 139 Leith Walk Edinburgh (22/01563/FUL)

7.a.i to agree: LCCC to comment after May meeting (public deadline for comments is 20 May 2022)

  • P Forissier: this application is for around 200 student flats and some affordable accommodation. Please can residents inform LCCC of their views, and/or comment directly on the CEC portal. LCCC haw already expressed concerns because it generally does not support more student accommodation on Leith Walk. The developers appear to be using a loophole to escape the area brief being against student housing. LCCC will invite the developers to present in May, then finalise its position.

7.b to note: update on Portacabins situation on Iona Street

  • Cllr Rae: I have not yet received a response about the portakabins on Iona St, despite repeated requests. The portakabins needed to be licensed by CEC building control. I will report in May if I am re-elected.

7.c to note: update on Bingo Hall (former Capitol Cinema, Manderston Street) and possible deputation to Planning Committee

  • P Forissier: CEC’s consultation on extending the conservation area had included this building, but the final report to CEC planning removed this building from the conservation area, without any notification, despite it being included in the original masterplan. The Leith CCs highlighted this misinformation of councillors, leading to the decision being suspended until the June CEC planning meeting. LCCC will send a deputation to this meeting.

7.d to note: consultation to ascertain public views on the contents of a future licensing policy for Short Term Lets (deadline 10 June 2022)

  • H Tobermann: LCCC will decide its position in May.

7.e to note: Status of current planning applications in LCCC area (APR22)

7.e.i to note: historical status notes are archived here

  • P Forissier: I have tidied LCCC’s record to display only live applications. We have reviewed pending applications, e.g. 79a Dickson St. Normally such applications would raise concern by CEC planning committee, but this one has been approved without investigation. Hence LCCC will investigate and challenge planning processes, including disappearing drawings.

7.f to note: any other Planning matters relevant to LCCC area

  • S Kennedy: please explain a certificate of lawfulness for an AirBnB.
    • P Forissier: this was an approval in principle, but not to do with short-term lets.
    • A visitor: there are many short-term lets in my area. If they have operated for more than 10 years, they will not need a licence. Hence many applications are being made now (before legislation changes).

8 Parks & Green Spaces

8.a to note: update on Water of Leith walkway (partial closure between Newhaven Rd and Anderson Place)

  • J Wilkinson (via written report): work is in progress here

8.b to note: update on Rosebank cemetery graffiti

  • J Wilkinson (via written report): I have managed to get some of this removed.

8.c to note: any Parks & Green Spaces matters relevant to LCCC area

none

9 LCCC Governance

9.a to note: May and June 2022 meetings will be held again at the Nelson Hall at McDonald Road Library

  • H Tobermann: 3rd Monday of each month (apart from July) has been booked provisionally.
  • Action: J Caldwell to check if these dates clash with public holidays etc

9.b to note: organisational details of the June AGM to be finalised at the May 2022 meeting

noted

9.c to note: joint CC stall at Leith Gala Day 11 June 2022 – volunteers needed

  • Volunteers include P Forissier, S Kennedy and J Caldwell (if he is still an LCCC member)

10 Open Forum (local residents)[1]

  • A resident: there has been an enormous increase in traffic on Easter Rd because of tram-work diversions. These roads were not built to take such massive traffic. Masonry is falling from buildings. What prior investigations about likely impact of vibration were undertaken by CEC? What will CEC do to rectify matters? What ongoing monitoring is being undertaken? What is CEC doing to prevent nuisance?
    • H Tobermann: this road was resurfaced before the tram work began. It was known before work started that these diversion would happen, and such questions were raised. (I don’t’ recall the actual response.) Legislation allows such traffic, so CEC can’t stop it. Concerning potential damage , I will give you contacts who might be able to take base measurements.
  • A resident: traffic-calming measures are subsiding, leading to extra road-noise.
  • H Tobermann: I suspect there are insufficient inspectors, but my contacts may be able to help.
    • A resident: there has been a water leak at Elgin St for ~2 years.
  • S Kennedy: I reported this to Scottish Water, which opined it is ground water not a leaking pipe, so it’s CEC’s problem.
    • H Tobermann: please copy me into your communications, so I can help pursue this.
  • A resident: I’m a candidate for the CEC elections. I’ve learnt this evening that there is a disconnect between CEC and residents. Improvements are possible. Thank you for inviting me
  • A resident: there is furore about the disgraceful state of pavements in the LCCC area, e.g. between Albion Rd and the new Lidl. There are no dropped kerbs between Easter Rd and the Montgomery/Brunswick/Leith Walk junction. There seems to be no plans to rectify this. Exercise for disabled people has been impossible due to this.
    • H Tobermann: you have our complete sympathy. CEC needs to get these basics right. Prior to the tramworks, there was agreement from CEC that crossroads pavements would be improved. But this has not happened.

11 AOCB (LCCC members)[2]

none

12 Bulletin: Edinburgh’s Abbey’s Cafe under threat after road closures for student flats development see takings plummet (EN 22-04-22)

noted

13 Future ordinary meetings (usually 3rd Monday of the month) and meeting topics/presentations

13.a to note: future meetings on 3rd Monday of each month at 7pm (except July and December): 16 May; 20 June (AGM)

noted

14 Appendix 1: police report

14.a Welcome to your LCCC Newsletter for March/April 2022

14.a.i Calls of interest to the Police in our area 18/03/2022 – 24/04/2022

  • Total number of calls between 18/03/2022 & 24/04/22 – 736
  • Disturbance calls 44
  • Vandalism reports 16
  • Crimes of Dishonesty reports 63
  • Drugs misuse reports 24
  • Public Nuisance / Anti Social Behaviour 88

14.b Community issues

14.b.i Anti Social behaviour

Police officers identify and attend protracted neighbour disputes in the relevant areas. They triage and advice reports accordingly and link with City of Edinburgh Council FHS department when appropriate to resolve reported issues.

Officers were present in the area of Brunswick Road / Pilrig Street / Easter Road to reports of drugs misuse and antisocial behaviour.

Officers have also present in public spaces regularly conducting plain clothes patrols. This is as a result of community concerns around drugs misuse and ASB.

Officers visited licensed premises around Leith Walk and worked with Licensing department ensuring bars and pubs adhere to sale of alcohol regulations.

14.b.ii Road Traffic matters

Officers have been focusing on use of e- scooters on the roads, providing advice and enforcing current road traffic legislation where appropriate. On particular occasion an already court banned from driving e- scooter rider was reported for a number of RT offences committed in the Pilrig Street/Bonningnton Road area.

14.b.iii Community support

Community officers continue to engage with local communities via the community surgery meetings. Locations of the surgeries are McDonald Road Library and Dalmeny Drill Hall.

Community officers have also been delivering a number of Rapid Relief Boxes containing food to most vulnerable members of the local communities. The boxes are a result of local community office and external partners working together as part of Beat Hunger campaign.

Officers continue to engage and support in relation to the Ukrainian community focal points in the Leith area.

Community officers have been working with local primary schools prior to the school holidays and aim to increase their presence giving inputs to pupils before the end of the term.

14.c Notable community engagements in the Central/South Leith area:

Police Scotland in partnership with Trading Standards Scotland is running a campaign called Shut Out Scammers. The campaign is starting on 25/04/2022 and will run for a month. The campaign aims to highlight issues around Mis-selling of Energy Efficiency Measures, Doorstep Crime (consumer driven home improvements and cold calling) and Empowering Consumers. Officers will be setting up stalls across all the areas engaging with the public and highlighting the pitfalls of doorstep and phone scams.

14.d Neighbourhood Watch Scotland in local wards

(various images that are too small to OCR)

14.e About Us

  • Local Area Commander: Chief Inspector Kieran Dougal
  • Leith Community Policing Team based at Leith Police Station:
  • Inspector Colin Fordyce
  • Sergeant Samantha Rose
  • Plus 8 officers dedicated to community issues in Leith

14.e.i Contact Us:

15 Appendix 2: Questions for Erica Manfroi and Andres Lices

We want to follow up on exchanges our Community Councillor Pierre Forissier with Andres Lices (AL) in January 2022. In his email of 20 Jan 2022 AL said that bin hubs on Dalmeny Street were in line with the city wide Communal Bin Review. The specific location you refer to (LW-27 as per published plans) has been selected carefully as the most suitable taking into consideration the following:

  • Safety – ensuring the bin hubs are safe for people recycling, pedestrians, cyclists and drivers and do not block lines of sight or access
  • Distance – the walking distance to the bins for all users are reasonable and within our guideline
  • Capacity – ensuring there are enough bins and that each bin has enough capacity for everyone to use
  • Placement – bins on the road rather than pavements where possible to reduce street clutter and potential obstacles
  • Serving properties– bin hubs are located on the same side of the street as the properties served to avoid users having to cross the road.

And specifically (in his email of 25 January), it would increase the walking distance beyond our maximum of 50m to some of the properties the hubs have been assigned to and require residents to cross the road to dispose of their waste and recycling. The rationale to support the implementation of this criteria is to ensure the service is more accessible to everyone and subsequently help us to meet our carbon neutral targets.

This raises a number of questions

  1. Have these parameters always been met during implementation?

Most locations meet or will meet most parameters, however there is a small number of locations where due to odd street layouts some parameters cannot be met. As the project has suffered from the nationwide challenges with availability of HGV drivers and materials, this has meant that the full rollout of the bins within their new allocated space has been delayed and as such it may seem that some hubs do not immediately meet the parameters. This will be amended as the locations are completed now that most of those challenges have been resolved.

  1. One place that we wonder if they have been is London Road. There is one linear hub on the north side of the street and none on the south side. By our reckoning is it well over 50m from some of the tenements on London Rd to this hub. Moreover the capacity seems too little for the number of residents? Can you assure us otherwise?

From the description I assume the hub referenced is A-14, which is to serve 1 to 13 London Road. However due to the walking distance and space constraints for the Rossie Place hubs which are aimed to serve the colonies, this hub has an increased number of bins to accommodate northern properties who may wish to recycle and dispose of their waste on London Road together with A-17 on the East.

The properties on West Norton Place and East North Place will have a hub on West Norton Place that will be delivered as part of Phase 3 (This area is a Controlled Parking Zone). Cadzow Place has a hub but it has not been delivered yet as part of this project as there is a resurfacing scheme which will include it. The drawing below should illustrate the distribution of properties and hubs available.

  1. Most hubs (so far as we can see) are nose end layouts which have a central clear corridor with the bins leaning against the bull bars. In the 25 Jan email AL said “As per our publicly available Integrated Impact Assessment, the lack of dropped kerbs on the nose end layouts was also highlighted and is something that can be investigated on an ad-hoc basis per location should it be requested.” Without dropped kerbs it will be impossible for wheelchair user to access these hubs form the pavement. However when I read the Integrated Impact Assessment I noted road safety concern about providing dropped kerbs. Given this, is the plan to provide dropped kerbs where requested? And will this option be advertised?

Between 80/90% of locations are parallel parking.

As per the IIA, installing a dropped kerb is the last mitigation measure. Many locations have within reasonable walking distance a parallel layout that should be accessible, and many users also rely on neighbours and friends to use the current service if they cannot use it as intended. Installing dropped kerbs may raise more accessibility issues than they solve (narrow steep pavements, flooding/drainage) or it may be challenging to deliver due to physical constraints like basements, therefore it is something we will consider on request but not actively promote as delivering dropped kerbs may not be physically possible or beneficial in many locations.

  1. Can you please explain whether the potential nuisance (principally noise but also noxious smell and fly tipping) to residents of having bin hubs (re noise especially glass recycling) close to their doorways or windows is also a criterion that was taken into account when deciding on the siting of bin hubs (which all are to contain glass recycling bins as we understand it)?

The Council has used communal bins to collect household waste in tenemental areas since the 1990s and many of these bins are sited outside ground floor and basement flats’ doors and windows.

With regards to glass specifically, we have long faced complaints from residents about the lack of provision and this was apparent during the consultation Changeworks carried out in 2018 on recycling in tenemental area (the “Edinburgh Communal Recycling Consultation” which is included in the T&E Committee Report of June 2019). In addition, because the current provision is patchy, any glass which is collected is concentrated at a relatively small number of locations, which concentrates noise issues. The provision of household glass recycling collections is a statutory requirement under the Waste Scotland Regulations (2012).

We’re addressing noise issues as follows:

  • By ensuring that all locations will have a glass collection we are avoiding the issues associated with the concentration of glass at specific locations. Glass only forms around 7% of the communal bin waste at present, so with the expanded service, combined with the fact that not everyone will sort their waste, the amount being disposed of at a specific location would actually be relatively small;
  • Any initial increase would be offset as more bins are sited;
  • The servicing at specific existing sites would also be expected to decrease;
  • From August 2023, most glass drinks bottles (as well as plastic drinks bottles and drinks cans) will carry a deposit. This means that most bottles will be returned to the shop to redeem the deposit. We’ll still have to provide the service to collect glass jars and remaining bottles but the volumes should decrease substantially from that point;
  • Our on-bin signage and the information we send to residents will include messaging around noise and appropriate use of the bins.

Through the communal bin review project we will be increasing the frequency of collections of the communal bins which should address any issues of overflowing bins. Further, by providing more recycling facilities we expect there will be less recycling materials put in the non-recyclable waste bins.

Unfortunately, there are some residents who do not dispose of their waste responsibly and fly-tipping can occur across the city, but this is not limited to communal bin areas. The Council regularly runs campaigns to promote the services available to residents to dispose of their bulky goods via special uplifts and the Household Waste Recycling Centres and how residents can report any incidents of fly-tipping.

Many of our existing food collection bins are approaching their end of existing life. These will be refurbished where possible and used at off-street locations if possible. The new on-street bins will be easier to keep clean as they consist of a metal housing with a plastic bin inside which can be replaced if necessary.

  1. Are all bin hubs to contain glass recycling bins, as a Jameson Place resident reports that there doesn’t seem to be one envisaged in their street?

Yes, the bin hub will all have glass recycling bins as per design available on line.

Due to contractual reasons, we had to deliver the road works for the installation of the bull bars and where possible the metal food bin housing ahead of other changes. We would have liked to deliver the rest of works required to complete the bin hubs at the same time as the road works, but delays on the bulk delivery of the new bins as well as a nationwide shortage of HGV drivers have meant that we have not been able to complete all bin hubs and implement the new truck collection routes. We can only apologise for this. We expect this to be resolved over the coming weeks.

  1. We understand that it was the practice to site communal wheelie bins on the “garden side” of one sided streets like Royal Crescent and Heriot Row where traffic is moderate. Why has this practice seemingly been disregarded in relation to bin hubs on (for example) Dalmeny Street? Equally why have opportunities not been taken to site bin hubs outside non-residential premises so to minimise nuisance for residents (e.g. shops / office and schools) where possible?

In terms of placing the bin hub on the opposite side of the road this would go against the safety criteria by which bin users should not be required to cross a road to dispose of their waste and recycling. Every effort should be made to provide bins on the same side of the road as per users’ properties. We acknowledge that currently not all communal bins are located in accordance with the new criteria and rectifying this is one of the main objectives of the communal bin project.

The rationale behind this parameter relates to road safety and accessibility. As siting the bins across the street is contrary to our policies which take into account the needs of all service users including those who are disabled and mobility restricted. In particular the Access Panel are against siting bins across the road or on the road except where unavoidable and then only in restricted circumstances.

It has, in fact, always been our criteria that bins should as far as possible be sited so that people are not required to cross the street, but are conscious that as the service has grown not all sites fully meet this because the recycling service is not fully integrated into the overall service and was treated as a voluntary activity (unlike non-recyclable waste which people have no choice but to use). The new service provides fully integrated bin hubs, i.e. for the full range of statutory materials.

When determining a bin hub location a number of criteria and parameters have been used and there have been instances where new bin hubs have been placed in front of shop and offices.

  1. In this regards we note AL stated in his follow up email of 25 January that one way noise issues arising from glass recycling will be addressed is that the on-bin signage and the information we send to residents will include messaging around noise and appropriate use of the bins. We would like to know what the on-bin signage will say and what information is to be sent to residents regarding messaging around noise and appropriate use of the bins- e.g. not at night say between 9pm and 7am ?


Page 8 of the guide that every resident will receive, screenshot below. A copy of the guide is attached


Following the implementation stage, correx posters will be added on street furniture i.e. lamppost to promote the new service and key messages including the below

  1. One way to limit glass recycling to sociable hours would be to have bins that lock automatically between say 9pm and 7am. Has this been considered?

There is no practicable way of doing this, and indeed it might lead to people dumping waste beside the bins.

  1. More generally, what will happen when any of the bins are full? Will they lock so that no more can be put in them?

The number of glass bins within each area will increase providing more capacity for recycling glass. Our contractor, will monitor the bin fill level and adjust the frequency of collection to ensure the glass bins are not overflowing. The non-recyclable waste bins and mixed recycling bins will be collected every two days (at a time when authorities in other parts of the country are moving their waste collections to every three or four weeks, so this is an extremely high-quality service.) Food waste bins will be emptied weekly.

  1. We understand collection is to be every second day. Is this correct for all locations with bin bubs in the LCCC area. Will this include weekends and public holidays? Will residents be informed when collections on their street are scheduled?

Yes, I can confirm that all non-recyclable and mixed recycling bins as part of the on street bin hub locations will be collected every other day. The schedule for the bins is not published as there is no need for bins to be presented on the kerbside for collection as individual wheeled bins are, and we do not make this information available at the moment.

  1. Are the crews who are going to undertake the collections receiving appropriate training so they understand how the bins are to be emptied and then placed back correctly in the hub?

Yes, we are already working on this and continuous training will be provided to ensure the correct way to return the bins to the hub.

  1. In particular are the crews receiving training on the reporting of issues such as fly tipping and overfilled bins and broken bins or bins with graffiti so they can report these issues immediately?

Yes, collection crews are receiving training on reporting issues i.e. fly-tipping etc. All the communal bins within the bin hub will be either refurbished or new and this should mitigate the need for repair. The increased frequency to every other day for the bulkier streams should prevent and mitigate overfilled bin issue.

  1. If a resident reports an issue with the bin hubs to a bin crew will the bin crew take note of it and immediately feed it back to a central point for action?

Yes, the information is fed back to the back office, and the use of in-cab technology will support a more efficient process of reporting fly-tipping, repairs, overflowing issues etc.

  1. Is there a central office that will receive and triage issues for remedial action that bin crews and residents report?

Enquiries are raised on web forms or by crews and are managed with an internal system, Confirm. The enquiries are allocated to the relevant team for action depending on the specific tasks i.e. fly-tipping, collection, repair.

  1. What steps will be taken to enforce prevention of fly tipping around the bin hubs?

Unfortunately, there are some residents who do not dispose of their waste responsibly and fly-tipping can occur across the city, but this is not limited to communal bin areas, or to Edinburgh. Regrettably this is a nationwide problem which predates the use of communal bins. Indeed, the daily dumping of bags of household waste, ignoring the twice per week collection schedule, was one of the reasons communal bins were introduced in the first place.


We have included information on how to re-use, the use of recycling centres and the special uplift service within the guide attached. This will be enclosed to the letter to residents which also will reiterate to not leave any side waste, and the service available for large bulky uplifts will be promoted with the more direct QR code. Moreover as part of the follow up of the implementation stage correx posters will be added to street furniture i.e. lamp posts to remind to not dump items
The Council regularly runs campaigns to promote the services available to residents to dispose of their bulky goods via special uplifts and the Household Waste Recycling Centres and how residents can report any incidents of fly-tipping.

  1. How regularly are bins to be cleaned going forward?

The bins are cleaned on an ad hoc basis when required. Most non-recyclable household waste is bagged which keeps the bins clean. Waste in mixed recycling bins should be loose, but clean, while the new design of food waste bins will be easier to keep clean.

  1. In Erica Manfroi’s email of 29 November she confirmed that all on-street bins including non-recyclable waste, mixed recycling, paper and food waste bins will undergo an assessment for either being fully refurbished or replaced as part of the communal bin review project. There are instances where new bins have been relatively recently rolled out as part of the business as usual repair/replacement programme and therefore those ones will not be refurbished or replaced. What percentage of bins are not to be refurbished or replaced?

It is estimated at least 90/95% of all the non-recyclable waste, mixed recycling, and food waste bins will be either refurbished or new.

  1. You indicated in your emails of January and March 2022 to Pierre and me that there has been a delay on the delivery of the new bins due to supply issues which are still being resolved and that you expect the bin hubs to be completed in this street within the next few months. This is causing a further reduction in parking in areas such as Bonnington ( e.g. Pitt St) and roads off Leith Walk such as Buchanan St as the roads are now dotted with a mixture of old bins (now removed from their former pavement locations in many cases) and half-filled new hubs? When is it expected that the roll out will be completed and all the old bins removed?

Due to contractual reasons, we had to deliver the road works for the installation of the bull bars and where possible the metal food bin housing ahead of other changes. We would have liked to deliver the rest of works required to complete the bin hubs at the same time as the road works, but delays on the bulk delivery of the new bins as well as a nationwide shortage of HGV drivers have meant that we have not been able to complete all bin hubs and implement the new truck collection routes. We can only apologise for this. We expect this to be resolved over the coming weeks.

We are expecting to have started the 1 route in North Leith, Bonnington. Following Leith and West Leith to move to Pilrig and Leith Walk and finishing with Abbeyhill, Meadowbank.

  1. As a result, on some streets with linear hubs- e.g. Buchanan Street, people are now parking small cars between the bull bars and the food waste bin- this will prevent the siting of the recycling and glass bins when they arrive. What action will the council take to remove these vehicles in the absence of the TRO?

In most cases cars are parked in between food waste and bull bars due to the lack of bins which have left an empty space. When the full bin hub is delivered there will be less opportunity for residents to move the bins to be able to park.

We are also designing communication material to discourage this behaviour. In extreme recurring cases, we will look at installing at additional bull bar to physical prevent this action from happening.

  1. Can you please provide us with the list of changes to the siting or process of roll out of the hubs made as a result of the public consultation that was carried out in November 2021?

See all changed locations and linked to comments pre or post TRO consultation.

Area Abbeyhill Leith Walk Pilrig Leith North Leith
No of comments received 71 22 8 28 28
Changes stemming from comments on TRO Consultation 0 0 0 0 1
Changes due to comments received post implementation 0 0 1 1 2
Changes due to other reasons* 13 8 2 1 5
Locations · A-02

· A-08

· A-06

· A-01

· A-14

· A-15

· A-80

· A-81

· A-53

· A-79

· A-82

· A-36

· A-77

· LW-60

· LW-42

· LW-38

· LW-55

· LW-52

· LW-08

· LW-25

· LW-56

· P-05

· P-07

· P-08

· L-34

· L-18

· NL-01

· NL-21

· NL-06/06B

· NL-07

· NL-28

· NL-11

· NL-34

· NL-25

* Other reasons mainly related to: Technical issues on site, miscalculations of number of properties, road safety concerns.

  1. One general question we would like to add is whether CEC will consider going underground with their bins in the same way that a number of European cities have done in the past 10 years-as explained in this article https://resource.co/article/could-underground-waste-collection-come-uk-11351, especially as part of any new construction? Is there any move to this with new developments in the Leith Walk/Bonnington area?

Bin and Collection systems comparison in the Appendix 3 of the report approved by T&E in February 2020 provides a summary of the key features, including the pro and cons, of different collection system and bin types.

We already have systems in place which require all new residential buildings to have off-street storage for the full range of statutory materials and we already service underground bins at locations across the city where those are what the developer has installed. We expect their use to grow in the years ahead. Information about this is published on our website.

Underground Systems in Granton master plan area is part of the options available for waste and recycling service provision. Undoubtedly the use of new generation Underground Systems in a new major area will support the assessment and development of this way of collecting waste and recycling to provide further information and data.

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